This community got removed from lemmy.world (again) - Divisions by zero
lemmy.dbzer0.comThis is another post that alerted me of this. https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
[https://lemmy.world/post/13287681] And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
[https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity]
This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:
The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
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Lemmy.world sucks donkey balls and this isn’t the only example.
Reddit 2.0. Always has been.
Considering how powerful is the copyright mafia (Remember that the pirate bay founder got jail-time) I totally understand why the people running the instance are doing so. I get why user are pissed off, but they’re free to host their own instance and deal by themselves with the legal liability
I can see why they would do this if their servers are in the US, Japan, Germany or another country with insane copyright laws. If not this move is stupid, almost as stupid as hosting your server in one of those countries.
Neither the server or community host copyrighted content. You can’t even directly link to sources for it either per the community and server rules. All the community does is discuss piracy which isn’t illegal
True, but let’s not forget that Lemmy instances are hosted by ordinary people without the finances to employ high price legal teams. If they receive a threatening letter from (for example) Sony or Disney they still have to either acquiesce or find a lot of money very quickly to simply argue their case.
In the US you can apparently sue software companies that make software sometimes used for piracy so it apparently doesn’t even need to be illegal there for people to shut it down if they are rich enough.
Lemmy.world continues to prove that their biggest utility is in attracting the bulk of the Reddit Crowd so that other, more specialized communities aren’t overwhelmed, and the older worlders can then join a better community for the long-run.
But r/piracy is still an thing. Crazy.
And it’s a shell of it’s former self. A lot of the serious members switched to c/piracy, db0 being the prime example
Another lemmy.world L, don’t know why anyone bothers with that shitshow.
Lemmy.world is designed for people who want another Reddit. Interacting with their users & communities tells you all you need to know. I’d be a fan of defederating, tbh
What are the design features of lemmy.world that make it stand out here?
The instance beef is annoying to me, but i’m not here for the politics talk, maybe that’s why i don’t get it. I see pleasant and unpleasant users coming from all kinds of instances.
Piracy@lemmy.dbzer0
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16742571
Thanks for pointing it out. Time to stop using my Lemmy world account. Bye-bye
Edit: or more likely just make another account and main it.
Again?
Interesting. This and other actions seem to hint that they got themselves into the crosshairs of legal law enforcement. You reap what you sow. I suggest that people don’t ignore potential issues with an instance, because it does spill over in unexpected ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FFdbbcj4Ao
Not a suprise .world is like the most liberal instance I come across,
They’re literally having a circlejerk right now about how they should defed .ml bc they’re convinced it’s a Hexbear-orchestrated honeypot lmfao
My favorate is I think it was them, right after they defedded lemmygrad they premptivly defedded hexbear… when Hexbear never had plans to federate with them
also I need to see this … This will be hillarious, but I mean I would like to see .world try, if any instance could survive on their own it would be them, but I am not sure they can.
What does that have to do with anything?
Because they’re the ones toadying up to the actual capitalists; panting like dogs in heat for a crumb of acknowledgement from their self-selected ‘betters’.
Liberals are ideologicaly pro capital, and pro IP, Piracy stands in the way of both of them. It would be expected that they would block it. Honestly just a matter of time
…says someone from a lemmy.ml account?
Edit: Poked the hornet’s nest…
You mean someone with a 2 year old account? You know what instances existed 2 years ago?
Spoken like someone who thinks the only criticism of liberalism comes from the right.
Lemmy.ml is majority leftist, ie Marxist or Anarchist, not liberal.
I know the kbinner isn’t talking 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I mean are you trying to say I do not come into contact with enough instances? I mean I will fully admit that I am an out and out Marxist-Leninist, I do not see how that comes into play with me saying it is the most ideologicaly liberal and narrow of the instances I regularly contact.
I still do not see how my instance has to do with my political annalisis. I think my name would be a much more effective hit here. .ml is a general purous instance… I literaly have red army in my name. Not only does trying to say “Your a filthy red” not change my analisis, but you did not even use your one chance to chose the most obvious part ot say “OMG YOUR A FILTHY SCARY RED OMG YOUR COMING FOR MY TOOTHBRUSH” I mean, I cannot say I was expecting better, but I am disapointed none the less, my account is literaly the name of one of my dogs, and declaring they are a part of the Red Army, the Army of the USSR… I feel like that would have been a much easier grab
Ideologically narrow? Have you been to lemmy.ml‽
I’m not going to say liberals don’t go there to shitpost like ML do here. But the admins on world haven’t been summarily banning people for “tanky shit” like the ML admins have been banning for “liberal shit”. The hypocrisy of your critique is why they rightfully call out those from there. You. Making them.
To be clear, I agree that world trends centrist to right. But as an anarcho communist anti Leninist I feel much more welcome here than ML. Though there definitely is nothing more on brand than ml hypocritically criticizing liberals and liberals hypocritically criticizing ml.
Yes I have been here for over 2 years, and before we get into it, we must understand where our biases are. When looking at a group the closer they are to you, the more difrent shades you can see. This is why I declared where I was, and why I would consider Lemmygrad more Ideoligistacly open than .World, because when I interact with people from that instance I can see more minor variations.
That being said Lemmy.world when I interact with them, I can play bingo with their answers, and I would say in ideological narrowness it would be either .world or beehaw. Not only this but the Anarchist hub tends to be Hexbear, that being a Left Unity instance, and Anti Leninists, I would like to hear more about this, because I have not heard a Luxemburgist in forever, and while I would love to say I have heard an Orthodox Marxist, most people who self identify like that are merly social democrats. .ML is a generalist instance, and I feel like the hate whip up is far overblown and agian part of my evidence for the ideological narrowness. Is moderation here perfect no, but ML does not ban for being “a liberal” they have a difrent reason behind it. If you want to be banned for being a liberal go to Lemmygrad or Hexbear.
Also I hate to blame it to you, but .world does do the summary banning for “Tanky shit” that is why they decided to without prompting to defederate with lemmygrad, because they could not handle communists existing. This is the reason they preimptivly defederated hexbear before they even joined, and this is the reason they are debating defederating .ML.
We all have biases and it is important to agnoledge them, and what they mean, I am free and open with mine. You have not been for yours.
It was a rhetorical question. It didn’t require an answer. I can see what instance you’re from. And even what instance this is posted to. And I know that even by saying the T word. Even though I refrain from using it personally. Only using it as others would slur you. Because you use liberal as such. All in furtherance of trying to point out the bad faith and hypocrisy on display.
I’m 50, from the US. Raised in a traditionally liberal family. Goth since the 80s, and absolutely a black sheep. I’ll criticize liberals all day every day when they deserve it. No love for them here. I got nothing to hide. And frankly who you’re close to. That’s a red herring. You will almost never find someone who attacks ml power structures on countries more often and more viciously than people formerly from them.
Respectfully, I get that you have a lot of people disingenuously attacking your ideology as much as you do theirs. But people can and do have valid criticisms and problems with it. Despite being generally down for Marxism. I don’t see any reason for anyone outside of my machine shop to own the means of production there. Only people from the shop should. Not some Baker who will never set foot in it. Not some politician in some politburo thousands of miles away.
Frankly we have huge issues here with not having enough parties actually able to represent people. I don’t see how having less parties is going to fix that. Nor do I see the benefit of having a party in charge that would seek to jail me for life, possibly kill me, or brainwash me for dissenting with the state. There is no re-education. Only education and brainwashing. I will gladly take people ignoring me or looking at me incredulously over that sort of s*** any day.
What are you talking about? .ml admins are infinitely more tolerant of liberalism that .world are of leftism.
Someone should tell Hong Kong. I’m sure that will make them feel much better. Considering everything that’s been happening to them lately.
And I’ll give you this much. Liberals disingenuously use ml as their main foil against any sort of leftism/socialism. To the point it seems to many uneducated people like ml might actually be the left as you claim. It’s bs, there are lots of other types of leftists. But this is part of the problem with many ml. Denying and alienating all other leftists. And everyone else with the no true leftist schtick. That and the oppressive totalitarianism.
Pardon me? What the fuck does this have to do with .ml admins being more tolerant of liberalism than .world are of leftism?
Such tolerance! Much acceptance! Granted it is a complex and nuanced situation. But squash, is that something tolerant groups do?
Again, what does any of that have to with the admins of lemmy.ml being more tolerant of liberalism than the admins of lemmy.world are of leftism?
So Reddit can but Lemmy can’t? Sad.
Well, a quick reminder that Lemmy.world is not all of Lemmy. Nintendo, the RIAA, the MPA(A), and other lawsuit-blasting organizations would have to tackle every single Lemmy instance.
Sure, one threatening letter is all that’s needed to scare most server operators, but since there are a large variety of hosts located in jurisdictions around the world, it’s not as simple as taking out the big player like it might be for Reddit.
The unfortunate truth here is that Reddit is a company and Lemmy instances are usually run by a few individuals.
We just don’t have the politic barrier or resources to stand against the pressure
Lemmy can. Go make your instance now and it will be fully in your control (until the cease and desist letters arrive)
Untill a court summons come I think they all go into the shredder (Joke if anyone is reading I am not a lawer)
And when it goes to the court you move under the nearest bridge.
Seems quite reasonable to remove illegal communities given how Lemmy works with the caching of all content locally. There is just a significant legal risk for the instance operators involved here.
Talking about piracy on lemmy is still not illegal, in most places.
That doesn’t stop the media industry.
Sounds like the media industry is the illegal community if they enforcing their will as law when there is no such law.
They don’t even need to win the case. They just need to bully the smaller person until they go bankrupt and shut down.
Only matters where the servers and instance admins are
Merely discussing piracy is not a crime. And that’s all that happens in that community
It depends on the kind of discussion. Incentivizing other people to break the law is illegal in most places
Then arrest the execs making those incentives; not the consumers taking and distributing notes on them.
Piracy is not breaking the law. Fuck capitalism!
If buying isn’t owning then piracy isn’t stealing.
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That saying isn’t trying to explain all of IP law. It’s referring to products where there is no way to buy a copy you have permanent possession of. There’s a reason you don’t see the same fervor around pirating books.
Spoken like someone who either can’t tell IP law is one of the main mechanics by which the white supremacist “rules-based world order” maintains its strangulatory, thieving grip on the world; or someone who relishes in that fact. Either way, unworthy of bending an ear to. “Those who do no research deserve no voice.”
Me: ip law is complicated.
You: you’re wrong, it’s used for (even more things).
Wrong. My point is it is not worth regarding because it is an unjust ‘legal’ mechanic. That which is unjust demands breaching; such is the core of civil disobedience. Hence why I find your trying to quibble about how complicated it is like it even deserves heeding, or like you even deserve the point of view you’re trying to push so fuckin funny.
Glad to have amused you then. Hope you won’t take it too seriously, I certainly won’t.
A more reddit string of meaningless blather couldn’t possibly be conceived.
Thanks, couldn’t have done it without you ;)
The funny thing about Lemmygrad people is that you could tell me that this comment was an intentional caricature and it’d seem just as likely as it being genuine.
And the funny thing about kbin people is you strut around like you’re some kind of enlightened Top Mind apart from the rest of the nazi bars and radlib echo chambers ActivityPub graciously lends their backending to when you’re really no different from the rest of the hive.
Whether or not it’s moral or ethical is separate from it being legal, and it’s definitely illegal (in the US).
But it’s not, they’re not doing actual piracy there, they’re talking about it, and that’s very much not illegal
Tell that to the person I replied to, not me, because they didn’t say anything about talking about piracy.
Tfu
Look, I agree with the feeling behind what you are saying, However its important to remember Morality is not the same as Legality, and while they can sometimes overlap they are difrent cosepts, Piricy is moral, but not legal. If you ask me, it is A ok to do somthing that is moral but illegal
Let me know when you get your piracy instance set up, and where it is and whether I can go there and do whatever I want on it
How do you define “illegal community”
Asking for a friend
Wannabe capitalist-tier commenting; tfu. Your breath reeks of Oxford polish and your brain is poisoned by vain, childish notions of ‘owning’ ideas like there’s just an infinite supply of those under the sun.
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