Thinking about the future where Microblogging and link-aggregation sites on the fediverse have grown, how do you see them integrating?
It’s a bit one-directional right now since I don’t think Lemmy has the concept of following people or #topics outside of Lemmy, but mastodon users can follow Lemmy communities and the posts and comments show up fairly nicely.
Do you think the ability to combine those two domains in one interface (even the same timeline) is useful at all?
I’m envisioning a content creator posting a video on peertube and being posted to one of the link-aggregator instances and people commenting on it via Mastodon and all of the comments being able to reference each other no matter where they were posted. I think that’s pretty amazing compared to what we have now where you’re conversation is basically stuck where it was started on the traditional services.
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@jax I love it. It’s super cool. I think the main thing I’m still working through is how favorites and upvotes will interoperate. It’s weird seeing different counts for favorites and upvotes and I wish I could upvote from Mastodon.
There’s definitely some smoothing out to do and maybe there always will be. But it’s super cool. I have no idea the full implications. But they’re all positive imo.
You are already able to upvote Lemmy posts from Mastodon. You can also downvote from Friendica and Hubzilla. You can also post to Lemmy from Mastodon etc. by tagging the community account. The only thing to note with Mastodon is that it can’t handle headings and therefore the first x characters are the heading. And images are not federated, as far as I know.
Ah, yeah each service seems to implement certain things in different ways which is interesting, and maybe something to work out in the future. I kind of like to though, it draws you to a particular interface depending on the context and features you want for that type of content.
@jax I agree. I just want to see Lemmy post rankings affected by Mastodon etc users, not just Lemmy users. Commenting across apps is cool, upvoting across apps so I can see a cross fediverse link agreegator top ranking? Awesome…
Totally agree, maybe that can be built out, but I think it would require a change in how things are handled currently?
@jax It sucks you can’t subscribe to #PeerTube stuff from #Lemmy. Simply having the ability to pull hashtags into your feed would be a nice touch. Or just letting users subscribe to things via #RSS could help.
I comment on PeerTube stuff from #Friendica but don’t see any (dis)like counts and only some of the comments. If the video post is looked at from #Mastodon, it seems to display all the comments, #Pleroma shows the same limited few as Friendica, and #Misskey shows most of the comments seen on PeerTube. But none show any (dis)like counts from PeerTube, the ones they do show are limited to how likes are distributed for that software.
As far as Lemmy votes are concerned, they display and function quite nicely within Friendica. I shows me the same number of both up/down votes as likes/dislikes as I see if I look at them on Lemmy.
Maybe one day somebody will unlock the secret for full interoperability amongst all ActivityPub services. Till then, we’re just stuck trying to find ways around the limitations we have.
Full and mutual interoperability just means everything develops toward the same feature sets, which probably isn’t what we want.
Core features should always be interopable, of course, but we don’t want to box developers in.
Awe :/ yeah that’s not nearly as integrated as I first thought it would be :(
I wonder if it would be possible to build like, a bridge that converts different types of actions to other actions that make sense on another platform?
@jax I think what all #ActivityPub connected things need is a standard for intercommunication. Things that don’t necessarily get passed, but can be pulled, cached, and updated. Basic things such as timestamp in UTC, service used, post/reply hierarchy, full comment threads, title vs body, and surely a few more. Each service could add their own flairy bits on top of that to give their software its unique flavor. The likes/dislikes or up/down votes replicating to everyone is something I’ve heard is a deliberate(?) ““feature””. Personally, I don’t think those need to be any more than an acknowledgement between two people, not a public advertisement of comment popularity.
Yeah, I thought the ActivityPub standard was a lot more standard than it actually seems to be. That’s probably both a good and bad thing. It would be nice to see some more cohesion though.
@jax @eshep It has been a problem for a long time, yes.
But there are people working on standardizing everything. It’s a fairly recent project, not very big in scope and not very mature. But it’s getting there.
It’s called FEP (Fediverse Enhancement Proposals) and it’s like RFC for the fediverse.
You can find the standards here:
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/
And the discussion there:
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/standards/fep/54
@jax @eshep
Socialhub is also running on discourse which is ALSO implementing an ActivityPub plugins, which will be compatible with lemmy! And how do we know that this will be compatible with lemmy? Because they’re following the FEP-1b12!
You can find them here @feps (the plugin is read-only at the moment)
@jax I like how #indieweb enacted it with Known or micro.blog, the ability to have a custom post type for Bookmarks that allows you to syndicate it as a blog post to different platforms.
Oh, that is pretty cool! Custom post types does seem like an interesting solution to some problems I’ve seen with i.e. Mastodon