Every community I care about is dead

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This type of post may be better suited to a community like Fedidrama or something but I appreciate keeping track of events like this so that we’re keeping transparency on instances. If no one gives their side of the story when they get banned then we don’t have records in case of admin abuse. Especially in the Fediverse trust and maturity is paramount when choosing instances to build communities on and to be a member of.


That seems to be their goal, though they are probably targeting specific instances that they notice most often. I think Yiffit tried to convince them to just block NSFW content or just specific communities instead of defederating entirely but apparently that didn’t work - I’m not in the loop on how the conversation went.


For the record Lemmy.ml does actually disallow NSFW, and they defederated from Yiffit.net (a general furry instance) because it has NSFW communities. Tread carefully around them or they’ll remove you from the Lemmyverse, is the apparent message.


Hey this is your friendly reminder to spread out in the Fediverse. Stop making communities on the big servers. Now all those users just lost a big chunk of content and they’re likely to leave Lemmy and spread the word about how the Fediverse will never work because of trigger-happy admins.


I can see it on kbin.social but not on lemmy. I’ll post it here:


I don’t have a specific answer to what is happening but I’ll add that I have recently noticed that practically nothing that I post has been getting through to kbin. Posts that I’ve made onto beehaw.org, lemmy.ml, fmhy.ml, blahaj.zone, programming.dev, pawb.social, etc. etc. aren’t getting through to kbin, and none of them are defederating it.

On my home instance I have 16 posts, 142 comments

On kbin I have 8 posts, 67 comments

It seems like something is fundamentally broken with the connection to kbin, not specifically lemmy.ml.


I don’t know if the capability is already available but maybe there should be a greater emphasis on “public” vs “private” communities. Public communities could be like e.g. “memes”, whereas private ones could be local chat communities. Public ones would be available to everyone to browse and comment on, whereas private ones would only be available to yiffit.net users (and maybe whitelisting by server e.g. @pawb.social, or by requesting a per-user invite? though per-user invites would take a lot of extra effort to manage. Maybe a way to assign a user a “role” to access a group of communities, so you could give a “verified” role and the user would be able to access current and new local chat channels without further mod intervention.)

I think there’s a lot of value in keeping private communities private and distinct from the larger fediverse. If I understand correctly, this seems to be sort of what beehaw.org is attempting to do. We recently had a bunch of trolls in one of pawb.social’s meta announcement threads - why do random users need to be able to participate in our local announcements?

As a “fediverse” I understand the desire to be a giant meshnet of redundant servers, but maybe we can also have a return to the days of old with distinct local forums as well, running alongside that meshnet. Sometimes I would really like to be able to join a community and have it be a verified community, instead of just a topic that has regulars hanging around.


it’s all done voluntarily in people’s free time.

Firstly, Matrix has plenty of paid developers that work on it - this is not even close to a passion project made by volunteers in their free time.

Secondly, I’m not saying the work is embarrassing (the work is nothing short of incredible), I’m saying the priority to leave this feature on the backburner for years is. They likely ended up with more important priorities and didn’t have enough resources to dedicate, but on a practical level the lack of hotjoin voice channels sticks out like a sore thumb to new users.

I’ve been championing Matrix for about 4-5 years now, and it’s been so long since this feature was requested/promised that it’s at the point where I’m too “embarrassed” to try to convince people to switch anymore. People just expect this feature in a messaging platform nowadays, and if it’s not there they’re going to leave immediately. When this makes it into stable with a good UX, I’ll be back on the new user pipeline.


To be fair, Matrix is not exactly trying to be a “discord alternative” so much as an “all messaging platforms alternative”, but it’s still embarrassing that this feature is not present yet. It’s been heavily requested by the discord crowd for years, and should have been a higher priority.

As for friends switching, at least Matrix has bridges and puppeting/double-puppeting support. Unfortunately, I don’t think discord voice channel bridging/puppeting will ever work, so it’s really not that useful in this instance. I know ripcord has voice channel interop so it is technically possible, but it’s probably too hacky/abusive to put in officially, and it would probably only work with puppeting.