Have no experience with iced but interesting. Can you share a minimal example of what you’d like to do? At least the source code of Sandbox reads fn view(&self).

Would like to see this succeed but have zero insights. To you think there’s actual momentum behind the fork?

Ok, funny. Worked this way. Thanks!

Cool! I just don’t get yet how I can subscribe to federated channels. Sometimes I find them in the search, sometimes not. This one does not show up. I tried searching for !rustlang@lemmyrs.org - no result. Any ideas?

Well, I think it does contribute to the discussion here :) . Even though the problems behind the original post might be different.

That’s also somewhat my dilemma. I really like Rust as a language and I’d be happy to use it also for my day-job. Unfortunately, I don’t see it adopted in the companies I work for.

True. As an outsider I can only speculate what is going on there. As you say, other BigTech-financed projects seem fine.

About big tech companies sponsoring projects: The have an interest that Rust is maintained and many people write good crates which they can use. But they don’t care so much about the world being able to profit from the ecosystem. If they do, then just because this is actually profitable for themselves.

I think this turns into a problem once a project get mainstream. Let’s imagine that in twenty years Rust largely replaced C/C++. It would become part of the worlds critical infrastructure. I don’t think it is good to let the monopolies have the governance. I don’t believe that they act in interest of people. Often it may appear the way. But if it does, I’m convinced that there’s usually a business interest behind. For example, screwing people completely would be bad for business or might trigger the attention of regulation bodies. So they don’t do it. Screwing people very gently such that they get used to it before they notice might happen. Slowly boiling the frog. This type of companies do that on a daily basis.

I have not much of a clue about the recent dramas. Maybe it is not related. Yet I hope that at least now people take the opportunity to rethink sponsorship.

To me personally, this kind of sponsorship tastes bitter. On one hand, it does show that some companies are willing to invest in the project. The money is certainly welcome and it might be difficult to find other reliable sponsors. The big ones definitely have the financial means to create impact and sustain the project. But that does not mean that their interests are aligned with Rust users like me. From this kind of companies I’d expect that they sponsor projects in order to have influence. They want to breed an ecosystem which is good for their business. Unfortunately, their business is bad for my privacy, its bad for me as taxpayer (Google is a tax parasite where I live), its bad for fair competition. Everything they do, they do for profit. Even if it looks harmless it will be for profit or image.

Hence, there are things that I’d not expect to change with such companies as sponsors. For example: the Rust ecosystem is quite well linked to Github. I don’t believe that Microsoft would invest into changing that. The opposite.

To me feels bad if something like Rust which is about to become part of our daily infrastructure is under the control of a few monopolistic companies. If Rust gets mainstream, then those companies do not represent the people who depend on Rust.

Alone the sponsors of the Rust Foundation I find very questionable (Amazon, Google, Huawei, Meta, Microsoft, https://foundation.rust-lang.org/ on the bottom). Unfortunately, corporatism is what you get from corporations. Happy to hear about the crab-lang fork.