Just someone running away from Reddit.
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Sure Meta will probably extend AP for their own use but it’s not that they can simply decide that the new feature that they introduced and is at first only working on their platform is the standard from now.
Maybe not formally, but it might not matter. Looking at how google implemented XMPP, then slightly changed their implemetentaion until it was incompatible, and clients tried to keep up with changes, makes me fear meta will do something similar.
I wrote a long answer to this, but forgot to post and lost it :(. But here’s what I wanted to say:
I forgot about Threads, that’s indeed a big user base.
Just because the standard is managed by the W3C doesn’t mean they’ll do a good job of managing it, but it’s probably more positive than negative.
I don’t know enough about how the W3C is organised and accepts contributions, but wasn’t one of the concerns of many AP users when threads announced their AP integration, that threads would immediately become a big player and essentially EEE AP? Tbh, I still fear that.
I’m enjoying this conversation, it’s brought my hopes for AP a bit higher, I hope I’ve managed to convince you that nostr is something to keep an eye on.
I think having many clients is a good thing. The reddit API debacle was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me, and got me to move away from centralised services.
Actually I think the better moderation structure that comes with AP is a plus point.
I can see how some people would prefer that, but Nostr also has a solution to this need. Not as good an experience as AP, if that’s specifically what you’re looking for, but nonetheless. If you want a curated, modded and filtered experience, you can just connect on to nostr nodes that filter heavily.
Biggest strength of AP in my eyes is that it’s a W3C standard.
I thought this when I came to AP at first too, but it’s been a W3C standard for a long time, and is still very niche.
Complexity to new users is definitely not better on nostr, just as confusing if not worse, currently. The reason I think nostr is on a better track than AP, is because I came to AP running from problems that I had on reddit, only to find the same problems on a smaller scale. Here’s what I can think of off the top of my head:
- Variety of clientes
- Both AP and nostr fix this.
- Centralised power
- Nostr fixes this, by making it so that your identity is usable anywhere.
- AP kinda fixes this, but doesn’t go far enough. If the admin of your instance decides to not federate with another instance, you have no say in that. Your only option is to migrate to another instance, and since AP doesn’t have nomadic identities, you have to start from scratch. Mastodon’s export feature doesn’t go far enough.
- Disagreement with mods
- Nostr fixes this by offloading modding to individual users. You chose to mute what you dont want to see. A highly requested feature here on Lemmy.
- AP kinda fixes this, where if you don’t agree with mods, you can start a different community, or a similar community on a different instance, but then you have the same problem as with centralised power, and are at the mercy of admins.
To be truly sovereign on AP, you gotta run your own instance, which is very impractical, and lacks nomadic identities. With nostr, you own your identity, because your identity is just a cryptographic key, which can be used anywhere, on any node.
To be clear, I think AP is a clear improvement over centralised services, thus why I still use it. I won’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I just think nostr is the better protocol to build decentralised services on top of.
Eh, bluesky is another federated solution, that turned out to be quite similar to activitypub. Perhaps not in implementation, but in user experience. And after having used activitypub for quite a while, I don’t think it is the solution to decentralised social media.
I’ve been really enjoying nostr, even though it doesn’t have the content or user base of the fediverse just yet.
I wish nomadic identities were a thing. It’s a concept I found out about recently, where you could have one Fediverse account for all services, and just login to whatever you want with that preexisting account. Sort of what you describe as a Single Sign-On approach.
What I think is cool about this way of doing things, is that you could host an ActivityPub server, and login to any instance, even if it’s not your own. For example, I could login to lemmy.world or mstdn.social with my sopuli.xyz account. Or at least that’s what I understood.
It would probably get me to use the rest of the fediverse, tbh. Right now I only use Lemmy.
Yeah, I thought of these points too, my fear is that it won’t matter that it isn’t managed by meta and people will go along with whatever meta does.
Though to be completely fair, I have the exact same fear for other decentralised protocols, including nostr. Perhaps the only one I think is resilient to this situation is bitcoin, for better or for worse.