Good, I’m glad you’re not actually trying to spin the whole thing

Okay but how do we fix it?

I think you answer your own question -

This isn’t exactly the easiest platform to use.

I quite like lemmy, but the barrier to entry is far too high to enjoy the platform. Assume your user doesn’t give a flying monkies about federation and things like that, they just want the memes and content - if we can crack that, we might be onto something.

From the same comment:

positive user growth

Side note: OP did originally have the phrase “And that’s good for lemmy” (or something very similar to that) in the title of this post, but they’ve since edited it. I don’t know of a way of recovering what the original title said to be certain but it’s worth knowing this, as that’s a lot of the context behind this thread around why people (like myself) are decrying those that are saying it’s a good thing.

You said Lemmy can’t attract new users at this point

Can you please point out / quote where I said this?

growth hasn’t stopped, it was just overtaken by the drop in Lemmy users

Can you explain to me how this isn’t a complete contradiction? How has growth not stopped while users have? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Are we saying there’s user growth or not?

That’s why I pointed out on the fact user growth never stopped - Lemmy’s still attracting new users, just people who weren’t interested in lemmy in the first place decided to leave.

I’m trying to understand your viewpoint here, but I’m just not getting it. Overall users are in decline, that’s not good. Sure, I have no doubt that we’re still attracting new users but we’re still losing users as well - more than we’re attracting. We’re at a net loss of users and that’s not good.

User growth hasn’t stopped, check this.

Are you referring to the graphs here? The ones that show:

• Monthly Active users in decline
• Daily active users in decline

Those graphs?

Sure, 6-monthly users is increasing (and plateauing) and people sure are posting more comments, but those graphs do not paint a good picture and do not suggest positive user growth.

No one in this thread said that Lemmy is in perfect state and we have nothing to improve.

That’s exactly what some people in this thread are claiming. Every time someone says “Good, less users is a good thing”, they’re saying nothing needs to change because that’s what they want. I am saying that is not the case and I stand by that.

Lemmy is improving, but it clearly needs to go a lot further to start attracting users again.

The average user cares about the health and quality of the platform though and a declining user-base is not good for either of those.

Sure, we don’t want to be flooded with millions of users either but that’s because we have a distinct lack of mod tools and features to deal with it. The solution is better tools and better ways of handling those users, not to keep the platform isolated and haemorrhaging users.

A slower growth trend would be “natural” as you describe it, but a drop in users should only be concerning at this stage, especially as the platform is still so young. Even a small amount of growth is still growth but a decline in users means more people are leaving the platform than joining it.

Again, you’re pulling explanations out of thin air - go ahead and prove that those users are switching to kbin over lemmy, use some data to back up your claim.

Or accept that we have a problem with adoption and as a community we need to fix it.

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